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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 11, 2019 15:57:37 GMT
But even Subway, unless they're using uncured deli meats that have no nitrite or nitrates aren't very healthy. And that bread - oh, my goodness, it tastes,so good ... but it is so carb loaded. 27 g of carbs in a 6" Italian Herb & Cheese bread. That's pretty high! Especially when that roll only has,1 g of fiber. True, but when I said they are better than most, I was thinking more in terms of the fact that they don't have all of the fatty high cholesterol deep fried stuff that most fast food places have.
Also in terms of the bread, I usually get my sandwich on the whole wheat roll or a spinach wrap. I also tend to go for tuna and some of the other non lunch meat options.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 11, 2019 16:16:12 GMT
True, but when I said they are better than most, I was thinking more in terms of the fact that they don't have all of the fatty high cholesterol deep fried stuff that most fast food places have. Also in terms of the bread, I usually get my sandwich on the whole wheat roll or a spinach wrap. I also tend to go for tuna and some of the other non lunch meat options.
Oh, yeh, all of the fried foods will nearly do a person in.
If we go to Subway, we usually split a 12" tuna or the turkey breast, with American cheese, on an Italian Herb & Cheese roll. We pile that up with spinach, cucumbers, tomatoes, and lots of red onion. Add a little mayo and we're good to go. I'm not real fond of mayo so have cut back on how often I'll eat it, but still do occasionally. We've cut back on going to Subway this summer.
Right now, the only places we're going is to Whataburger occasionally for a breakfast item - we meet some retired friends there; and Carl's Jr. Sometimes we have the Carl's Jr special of the week, but more recently we've been eating their double junior burger with guacamole and jalapenos. I'm not where I want to be, nutritionally, but I'm better than I was prior to the first of June.
It's been tough, cutting back on bread - I'd rather eat bread products than cake or pastries! (There, so much for true confessions )
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Post by barb43 on Aug 14, 2019 5:04:08 GMT
The Madness is picking up tempo - Beef burgers and bottled water will be consigned to history on the Goldsmiths, University of London campus from the start of the new academic year next month. www.gold.ac.uk/news/carbon-neutral-plan/
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Post by metroames on Aug 14, 2019 9:28:30 GMT
The other problem with this is that restaurants are going to need a separate grill if they are doing both the meat and the meat substitute. Vegans don't want meat cross-contamination, and some people have allergies to the ingredients in the meat substitute!
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Post by barb43 on Aug 15, 2019 19:55:00 GMT
The other problem with this is that restaurants are going to need a separate grill if they are doing both the meat and the meat substitute. Vegans don't want meat cross-contamination, and some people have allergies to the ingredients in the meat substitute!
Vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters all have reason to be unhappy over this current situation. We are already being fooled as to what is really "meat" vs "not-meat".
Tofurky asks court to halt enforcement of meat-labeling law There are lawsuits ongoing in federal court to temporarily stop Arkansas from enforcing a law that bans labeling vegetarian and vegan products as meat and advertising them as such while litigation is underway.
One can only deduce from such an article and the fact that federal lawsuits are underway today ... which means there are packages of "non-meat" products on market shelves around the country that are labeled as meat. We could be eating this stuff without advance knowledge. Of course, any of us can read food labels till we get all the way to the tiniest print on each label, but a lot of people don't do that.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 16, 2019 10:22:07 GMT
A little more food for thought.
Bear in mind that these quotes come from an article that is pro veggie meats:
Health risks of meat substitutes
However, both Brill and Mangels note that some vegan meat alternatives contain high levels of one key ingredient — sodium — that can damage your health. “Many of these meat analogs have a lot of added sodium, which is the health villain of all time,” Brill says.
Brill also notes that some meat analog products are breaded or fried in unhealthy oils.
Meanwhile, Mangels says many meat substitutes contain egg whites, which might pose trouble for people allergic to eggs, or to those following a vegan diet.
Mangels says the best choice for veggie burgers largely depends on your nutrition issues. Amy’s Kitchen makes a low-sodium California Veggie Burger based on wheat, vegetables and nuts. But veggie burgers based on those ingredients tend to be lower in protein.
So to summarize: Many of these supposedly healthier meat alternatives are made in such a way that they have at least as much sodium and nearly as much fat/cholesterol as real meat products while at the same time being much lower in protein than real meat products. They pose a slight but significant allergy risk for many people. And they contain small amounts of animal protein from eggs which means that they are not really vegan anyway.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 29, 2019 20:03:55 GMT
Someone really should come out with imitation vegetables made out of meat.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 29, 2019 23:24:21 GMT
Someone really should come out with imitation vegetables made out of meat. Oh, I luv it!!! That would be a hoot! If you've eaten a Beyond Meat "burger", you may have seen this, but if you didn't see it, you might want to consider this aspect. The quotes are by Leeanna Garfield. This article is not recent - the date on it is May 26, 2016. This article also has great photos - from start to finish of a package of Beyond Meat burgers through cooking them. "I tried the Bill Gates-backed vegetarian burger that 'bleeds' and sizzles like beef", Leeanna Garfield, author, Business InsiderWhen I opened the package, the patties looked exactly like raw beef — except they're made mainly from pea protein, yeast extract, and coconut oil. They contain beet juice, which gives them a reddish color. Inside, bits of veggies mimicked the muscles and flesh of a cow. Overall, it was tasty and juicy, unlike most veggie burgers which can often taste closer to cardboard than beef." ~ attachment removed by original poster ~ "Although Americans are among the highest per capita eaters of meat in the world, a growing number of people are slowly cutting down. It's hard to change habits — especially when it comes to enjoying a delicious burger — but inconspicuous veggie burgers like Beyond Meat's could be the key." www.businessinsider.com/review-of-beyond-meat-veggie-burger-that-bleeds-2016-5
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 31, 2019 14:07:22 GMT
Nutritionist warns: Plant-based diets risk ‘dumbing down’ the next generation
A vegan diet may “dumb down” future kids, a nutritional expert has warned.
Writing in the health journal BMJ Nutrition, Prevention & Health, Dr. Emma Derbyshire says a plant-based diet lacks choline — a key nutrient for mental development. It is mainly found in beef, eggs, dairy, fish and chicken.
According to Derbyshire, studies suggest low levels in pregnancy can harm the fetus and raise the child’s risk of memory and brainpower problems.
Nutritionists also say nine in 10 adults are lacking in choline and that will worsen as more ditch meat and eggs.
“It could leave many women of childbearing age deficient in this key nutrient,” Derbyshire said.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 31, 2019 17:47:50 GMT
Well, I did my part of preserving the beef industry last evening by cooking a couple of steaks for dinner. They were beautiful & cooked up nicely in the skillet. We have enough left over that we're going to have steak & eggs for breakfast tomorrow morning. This is terrible - our public education system has already worked hard at dumbing down our children over the past 30 years, and now . . . there's this, a push by various parts of society to eliminate meats & poultry so that our future children will be mentally handicapped. Come quickly, Lord Jesus!
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 31, 2019 17:58:25 GMT
This is terrible - our public education system has already worked hard at dumbing down our children over the past 30 years, and now . . . there's this, a push by various parts of society to eliminate meats & poultry so that our future children will be mentally handicapped. Come quickly, Lord Jesus! Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I keep thinking that maybe dumbing down the next generations may be just what many of those in power want.
Stupid people are easier to control than those with good critical thinking skills.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 31, 2019 18:34:42 GMT
I'm sure you're right, Mel! If the people are given enough stuff by the govt to at least survive on a day-to-day level, and they're dumbed down, both educationwise & physically/mentally, they would be easily controlled.
Gotta start putting this stuff in front of ds and L's eyes and getting the grands into all the education they'll get. They're all 3 smart enough kids, but could be more motivated.
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Post by barb43 on Sept 1, 2019 16:36:03 GMT
In 2 grocery stores yesterday, I paid attention ... At the post commissary, there were Boca Burgers and Bubba Burgers has a veggie burger also. Neither was putting their product out there as being equal in taste & enjoyment to an Angus Beef burger, but this is the first time I've seen Bubba Burgers veggie burger and I haven't seen Boca Burgers in a prominent location in the past.
At Wal-Mart, there is a new section of their upright cooler cases that is filled with "health foods". There were at least 3 veggie burgers and they were advertised as fast, healthy, and equal to beef burgers. I was in a hurry, that cooler case had been rifled through (big shopping weekend), and I was running out of patience, so I didn't look as closely as I'd have liked to.
It was interesting to see, after all we've been talking about the fake meat, that veggie burgers were more prominently displayed than I've ever seen before.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Sept 1, 2019 16:58:30 GMT
It will be interesting to see how far this current fake meat push goes before the next big thing catches on with the food Nazis.
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Post by barb43 on Sept 1, 2019 17:29:49 GMT
. . . those are great. I've always liked the "How to Confuse a Vegan". Later: I get recipes by email from a handful of online recipe sites. I've never asked for vegetarian or vegan recipes, I let them send me whatever the current batch of recipes might be. This weekend, I've received 3 emails full of vegetarian or vegetarian&vegan recipes. It must be a trend!
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