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Post by barb43 on Jul 31, 2019 17:26:28 GMT
Arby's - who prides themselves on their roast beef - is offering a burger called "Beyond Meat." I don't eat there often and have just blown it off ... this article addresses this very burger: "Beyond Meat, the first of the Silicon Valley startups to use advanced technology to produce extremely meat-like burgers." This Is the Beginning of the End of the Beef Industrywww.outsideonline.com/2399736/impossible-foods-beyond-meat-alt-meatThis is a pretty interesting article. The author, Rowan Jacobsen, has been around a number of movements and causes throughout his adult life. He believes that alt meat isn't going to stay an alternative for very long. He starts this article with this thought process to explain where he's going with this idea. He lays out the case for the downfall of cattle through the article, along with tracking the development in recent years of plant-based meat products. He quotes statistics and history and provides his opinions. So what do you think? Are beef cattle headed for displays in zoos and the endangered species list? Could this lead to the words found in I Timothy 4:1-3 (particularly verse 3)? <-- that could be far-fetched but I add it here since it popped into my mind.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Jul 31, 2019 18:36:44 GMT
I like meat, and I like vegetables. No need for one to impersonate the other.
Joking aside, the few veggie "meat" products that I have tried were actually pretty good for the most part, but they could never pass for the real thing.
I suppose that they might impact the beef and other meat industries somewhat, but I don't think there is any real danger that they would be put out of business anytime soon.
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Post by barb43 on Jul 31, 2019 21:32:06 GMT
Veggie bacon burgers - now there's an idea! I agree. The veggie burgers I've eaten have been "okay", but not great and not certainly not passable for beef. I can't imagine the beef producers in Oklahoma or Texas giving up their cattle ranching
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Post by barb43 on Aug 1, 2019 3:41:03 GMT
I had to cut off that last post & run to take care of some business. What I wanted to point out is the way that thought process that summarizes Ghandi's philosophy has actually come to pass in some major causes that many of us would have never, ev-er expected to happen in the United States of America. The big one is same-sex marriage. I always suspected marijuana would be legalized, from over 40 yrs ago I believed that - and it hasn't happened nationwide like I thought it would, but I think it still will. There are several on-going causes that are making progress in accordance with that thought process - look at the strength and fire in the transgender agenda (it's far out in front of the whole LGBTQ+ agenda). Look at the pick-one-or-make-up-your-own-gender movement. The whole fight against abortion is not over yet either. So, with examples of that thought process working, I think we need to watch more closely the forward march of the alternative meat products onto our grocery shelves. Hopefully any reduction of beef in the market place would be a long process that will really fully never be implemented in the face of the currently living generations. I think we ought to pay close attention however and do whatever we can to be in charge of the availability of options for what we eat, drink, wear, drive, live in, etc. And now I'll get off my soapbox.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 1, 2019 10:16:03 GMT
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Post by barb43 on Aug 1, 2019 13:32:58 GMT
. . . That lab-grown meat sounds soooo gross. Bleck. I don't want to eat it. The pushback by meat producers and the disinterest by the public is a good thing, but "the clean meat companies are forging ahead." Uh-oh.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 3, 2019 20:36:30 GMT
Here's an article of interest that popped up in the margin of another article I was reading: We must transform food production to save the world, says leaked reportwww.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/03/ipcc-land-use-food-production-key-to-climate-crisis-leaked-reportSeveral of the types of companies discussed above in this thread may have results just in time to have input to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for their meeting in late 2020 "probably in the UK, at a key conference where delegates will plan how to achieve effective zero-carbon emission policies over the next few decades." This quote from the article makes it clear what this reporter in The Guardian is hoping for: What is it this "leaked report" proposes?
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 3, 2019 21:40:34 GMT
Just a thought that occurred to me today:
All these groups are trying to get everyone to switch to a mostly vegetarian diet.
Among the judgements predicted to be unleashed during the Tribulation period are some which will devastate plant life. Such as:
"The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." (Rev. 8:7)
The Greek word for grass in this verse would also include wheat and other grains and possibly other crop type plants as well.
Switching most people to a vegetarian diet is just going to make the worldwide famines that are prophesied for the Tribulation that much worse.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 4, 2019 0:40:24 GMT
Just a thought that occurred to me today: All these groups are trying to get everyone to switch to a mostly vegetarian diet. Among the judgements predicted to be unleashed during the Tribulation period are some which will devastate plant life. Such as: "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up." (Rev. 8:7) The Greek word for grass in this verse would also include wheat and other grains and possibly other crop type plants as well. Switching most people to a vegetarian diet is just going to make the worldwide famines that are prophesied for the Tribulation that much worse. This could take out a big portion of the nut crops too, and "all green grass" could include green plants growing in the fields - peanuts, soybeans, lettuces, herbs ... all the rest of the root crops with green verbiage above ground (potatoes, sweet potatoes, turnips, beets, carrots, etc). There's an awful lot of food that will be destroyed. <--I'm guessing here; not sure how far that will go when it says all green grass. It's gonna be pretty dismal, however far it goes.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 6, 2019 13:46:44 GMT
Well, if California gets their way, we're eventually going to have one less cooking option for that meat we like eat, and other foods. Give Up Your Gas Stove To Save The Planet? Banning Gas Is The Next Climate Pushwww.npr.org/2019/08/05/745051104/give-up-your-gas-stove-to-save-the-planet-banning-gas-is-the-next-climate-pushCalifornia is determined to become "carbon neutral", so beginning next year, gas furnaces and gas water heaters are prohibited in new construction. This state is determined to be "carbon neutral" completely by 2045. This goes against what consumers want ... especially in their kitchens. But, if they can find a way to get everyone to switch to one of these new electric stoves, such as the electric induction range, described by an owner as "a far cry from the old-school electric stoves with coils that heat up. "This thing is so fast, you put the water on and literally, 120 seconds later, it's boiling," he says." ... And how are they going to pay for all of this conversion? Well, can they spread that idea all across the country? Ugh.
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 6, 2019 14:50:19 GMT
Do they not realize that most methods of electricity production generate far more waste carbon than any of the relatively clean burning gases. Here in PA there has been a push for years to get as many people as possible to switch to gas furnaces, stoves, and water heaters for that very reason.
High efficiency gas furnaces like the one I have burn so cleanly and produce so little CO and other waste that I don't even have to have a chimney, just a relatively small vent through the house's foundation to let excess steam escape.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 6, 2019 16:57:46 GMT
I agree with you. I had to laugh when, in the article, the homeowner who switched to that super-duper electric stove was thinking about coal ... But I didn't get the impression he made the connection that coal is burned to produce electric.
I've always either had propane or natural gas all the years I've owned homes in SW Okla. I much prefer gas to an electric heat pump. And sweetie & I both prefer a gas cookstove to an electric.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 7, 2019 22:20:12 GMT
Well, the Beyond Meat company is expanding their wares into some other fast casual eateries. Subway has announced they'll be testing Beyond Meat's meatless meatballs in their meatball subs in September in 685 of their fast casual restaurants in the U.S. and Canada. The "meatballs" won't have a trace of meat in them, but will still be packed with protein, according to Subway's press release. Beyond Meat also recently partnered with Dunkin' Donuts & Tim Horton's to create meatless breakfast sandwiches. And it gets worse: Beyond Meat's competitor, Impossible Burger is debuting a meatless burger at Burger King this very week, according to the article. This article closes with this remark: Check it out for yourself, here - the article includes links to additional info: Subway is jumping on the Beyond Meat bandwagon with meatless meatball subswww.cbsnews.com/news/subway-is-jumping-on-the-beyond-meat-bandwagon-with-meatless-meatball-subs/
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Post by M. Hawbaker on Aug 10, 2019 13:40:00 GMT
Another thought that occurs to me is that if people were really worried about eating healthy, they probably wouldn't be eating in fast food restaurants very often anyway.
And yes I know that as far as fast food goes Subway's food is better than most, but those lunch meats still have a plenty of preservatives and other unhealthy additives.
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Post by barb43 on Aug 11, 2019 13:35:15 GMT
Another thought that occurs to me is that if people were really worried about eating healthy, they probably wouldn't be eating in fast food restaurants very often anyway.
And yes I know that as far as fast food goes Subway's food is better than most, but those lunch meats still have a plenty of preservatives and other unhealthy additives.
You're right about people would be healthier if they didn't eat fast food. We've cut wayyy back on fast food. We know we don't eat as much that way, and we are eating more fresh, real food. But even Subway, unless they're using uncured deli meats that have no nitrite or nitrates aren't very healthy. And that bread - oh, my goodness, it tastes,so good ... but it is so carb loaded. 27 g of carbs in a 6" Italian Herb & Cheese bread. That's pretty high! Especially when that roll only has,1 g of fiber. Part of the problem, I think, is that so many people really don't know enough about nutrition, which makes it harder to make good eating decisions.
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